My regrets for not being able to post the thoughts of my heart these last few months. Life’s events have managed to overtake us and we are now beginning to get back to a normal level of chaos.

I did make one major gesture to try to get myself re-oriented. I proposed a presentation for the Kirtland Symposium scheduled for October 17 and 18. The proposal was accepted so I will be on the agenda for the meeting.

The topic? Something new and different. The topic of my 90-minute session is Faith, Evolution, and Intelligent Design. This is a subject that has been working in the back of my mind for a number of years and I felt that it was the right time to speak to the questions and concerns as I worked through my crisis of faith. I plan to provide the perspective of an engineer as I analyze several key aspects of evolution and the ‘un-scientific’ intelligent design. What are the elements of the evolution of life that are problematic to me as I ponder the elements of matter, energy, and information necessary to install and proliferate living organisms? How much faith does it really require to adhere to the doctrine of a designer or to the doctrine of a natural evolution of life?

Hope you can join me in Kirtland for this event.

7 Responses to “Faith, Evolution, and Intelligent Design”

  • log:

    If I did not also recommend this book, I suggest picking up a copy of “Reason in the Balance: The Case Against Naturalism in Science, Law & Education” by Phillip E. Johnson.

    This book is important.

    • Spektator:

      Log,
      I ordered the Johnson book. My fear is that a book that is considered important to you may be well over my head…

  • Adam:

    Spek,

    I’ll give a few thoughts on this.

    All light and intelligence comes from God, so all light and intelligence can become like God. Is a tree stuck being a tree for eternity? No. Is a dog stuck being a dog? No. All life and intelligence came from God, so all life can progress in experience, light and truth and eventually take on the form of man, or the image of God.

    Was there life and death on the earth before Adam? Yes. Because Adam was the first of the condescensions of God he opened the door for spiritual death. Spiritual death can only occur when rejecting God.

    John 15

    22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, THEY HAD NOT HAD SIN: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

    The “no death” the scriptures talk about before Adam was spiritual death. Now that God has come into the vineyard to work with the rebelious souls of the House of Israel he opened the door for spiritual death for those that reject him. He opened the door for the casting into the fire the branches that produce bitter or no fruit.

    • Spektator:

      I find it intriguing that there are, by many reports, five mass extinctions that have been identified in the history of this earth. These five extinctions could be considered to be the junction points between six periods in the development of the planet. Where else does one read of six periods, the last of which sees the emergence of man?

      For that and other reasons, I am hopeful that there will be a merging of the ‘scientific’ history of the earth and the dialog received from the Creator.

      Was the life and death before Adam? I would suggest that the stones of the earth speak to such.

  • Log:

    D&C 77:6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals?

    A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

    The inverse, or opposite, of “temporal” is “eternal.”

    Can there be death in an eternal existence? (I bet this is one of the verses for which the Church has rendered D&C 77 unsearchable using their scripture website, just as the Maxwell Institute has rendered Nibley’s books unsearchable using Google.)

    On the other hand, if the scriptures are not literally true, then how can they be other than literally false?

    And if they be literally false, upon what consistent principle does one decide what to excise, and what to keep?

  • Aaron:

    If it’s true that God created the earth, then we need to listen to what the earth has to tell us, as closely as any man. Among other things, the earth tells us it is old, it has changed, it has seen life and death before man appeared. Man’s best efforts to understand the earth are not perfect and are constantly changing as more information comes to light. The knowledge we have accumulated so far tells us that evolution is real. We turn our backs on this at our peril. A good theology, which I think we have, allows for evolution and tries to accommodate it rather than deny it.

    • Spektator:

      Aaron,
      I have come to believe that there are elements of evolution that are true. There are also aspects that are as mind stretching as anything I have heard in the stranger corners of church history. There are also credible claims made by the intelligent design camp. It is our best course to utilize study and rational thought to sort these things out, as much as we feel it important.

      What the earth is telling us should all become evident at some time. After all, Enoch, Jared and others saw the earth from beginning to end.

      But the deck is stacked, in my opinion, against evolution when it comes to the broad and rich plant and animal life on this planet. Even more credibility is lacking when it comes to origin of life. As a computer engineer and electronics designer, I cannot see how any of the alternatives presented by naturalism can accomplish the objective. Be it protein first, DNA first or the combination of RNA and protocell first, they are all insufficient to account for the rise of sentient beasts.

      Spek

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